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12-03-2007, 09:32 PM
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So... Here i go. Sunday night me and a few mates went and jumped the fence at the local go cart track here in bendigo. Had a few laps then a old bloke came upto us and this is when it all started. First he was cutting sick, throwing abuse left right and centre at us... then we got him to calm down and talk about it.
It looks like for Bendigo and surrounding areas, we will have less then 1% chance of being able to ride around legally or on a track. The AKA ( Australia Karting Assosation ) do not allow pocketbike's at all only any track's. This guy was the priesident of the Bendigo Kart Club, and says we are pushing **** up hill.
He said a guy named "Brian" ? has been trying for at least 2 years with no success. Not only would the insurance be massive for us, being 2 wheels, but its trying to convince the counsil to also let us ride.
So this has really dampened my spirts on pocketbike riding. Who the hell wants to ride up and down the street for 5 minutes with the thought of getting slapped with 1200$ worth of fines, then nigga bolting into your shed and hide etc?
For me and about 20 other local pocketbike enthusist's we are way too busy to haul *** to melbourne to ride ours bikes, or warnambool.
Does anyone have any solid info on the subject, if so can you share. The bendigo Kart Club have been trying to get a new track for 12years now, and no progress at all, yet in bendigo the counsil pops up a brand new skate park so more fearls can run a muck in the "Bronx" (Eaglehawk).
Sigh, i feel like a sook but bleh...
ps. the old prick also said to have any chance at riding on a track locally, a track would have to be slapped down right in private property...
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12-03-2007, 11:55 PM
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we ride/race at an AKA track
you need to be a MA club
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16-03-2007, 11:14 AM
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instead of just jumping fence , one should have started from scratch . Someone must no people from the Kart club , talk to them find out what there issuse are . Talk to people from Motorcycling Australia about REC Licence and getting insurance though them . ALSO the most importent thing is that if TWO clubs are using the same track they can apply for dual usage funding
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16-03-2007, 12:47 PM
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What he said about insurance costs didn't make much sense to me. There's plenty of minimoto tracks around Aus and they seem to be fine paying the insurance. And if what BlatRacing said about dual usage funding is true then the old kart guy doesn't have much of a point there, provided there's enough riders to cover the insurance costs.
I tried asking all of the Kart tracks on the Gold Coast and they pretty much said the same thing. I think a lot of it has to do with not wanting to associate with minimoto or sharing track time.
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28-09-2010, 03:27 AM
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insanenissan,
Mate , I am new to the sport ,have a chineese 50cc and am about to purchase a 125cc 4 speed mid size one and recently moved out Bendigo way.
Now , I am a total newb to the sport , but I am totally 100% aware of that individual you are talking of.
How is this ? I am from shifter karting. A moto x 125cc 2 stroke 6 speed transplanted strait into your average go kart with brakes on front etc. And waht is now dominated by European engine manufacturers ( TM, Vortex, SGM, Pavesi, Maxter etc) now and becoming quite the boom class in world karting now known as " the KZ class" guise .
anywhoo, moving on, I once was the unwanted bastard child that the AKA and namely the VKA didn't want around.
And my run ins with the man you are reffering to is unfortunately a big hitter in the AKA karting political world.
His name is Harrold Arnett . National Tech adviser to AKA and State VP and tech man again. What's worse is his scrubber wife Pam is National secretary and has been un opposed for few years now. And both are generally well hated right across this big brown land . And both wouldn't hold those positions for so long without being total thick skinned , self obsessed , masturbate over my self in the mirror , ignorant arseholes.
Together with VKA pres David Murray from Echuca both Bendigo and Rochester are firmly in their vices .
Why Harrold himself got off scot free from assualting a competitor in Queensland only a few months back and is as mad as a cut snake .
I have had many a run in with this trio and in fact under Pam's rule all are known Nationally as " Queen Victoria's " State.
I have lodged pics etc with Prokart in Wollongong to have both Rochester and Bendigo to run rival karting meets under their insurance in order to obtain access to these tracks. Although I do not trust and will have nothing to do with those scumbags Tony Pullen etc @ prokart, at the time things looked good and pocket bikes where on the table and deffinetly part of the plan for this region at both mentioned circuits. ( Broadford too)
Now what happend with Prokart is another matter , in short they tried to by pass me and run it all themselves from Wollongong and had no idea on what was going on down here and pretty much meddled with everything I had done with Bendigo Shire , given ProKart had a civil law suit pending against the AKA under ACCC in the Federal court for price pixing ( aka lost in the end with a large payout) at the time for this very topic of keeping all tacks under AKA use only . If you following me .
So in way, if you want someone to blame for not getting on there now, blame those pricks at Prokart for putting there greed and private go kart hire first . Which I might add with private emails etc I have had with those guys up there ,they have no respect or time for you pocket bike guys. Your a hassle to them and a danger risk . They will never put money back into the circuits they use and karting will always come first. Especially those karting classes that involve products those hangers on distribute and promote.
You guys are just a filler and extra $$ when they want you for SS series etc.
Moving on currently it sits like this.
Bendigo Track has been up graded recently and much better and longer . Crown land, VKA club pay about $77.80 a year for lease .
I have been over things with council on 9/10ths possesion of law ie : if not in use others can use it, how much council funds went into building and upgrades ( pretty much 100% government funded) and even been offered my own private set of keys for private use at times club are not using the facilities.
All to the Arnett's counter attack every time.
Now at this point in time , the place is never locked because I constantly cut a link from the chains and put my own lock on also . Both Rochester and Bendigo .
he has stood there told me to piss off and rung the local police who simply do not care .
Once they did come on a sunday and I told the police the council said I can and in the end the cops said to them " he is not hurting anyone and trying to do the right thing and we are sick of chasing these things around the streets of Eaglehawk and that Arnett's where actually part of the police's problem for not having anywhere locally to ride them "
"Cop that scumbag" was my responce.
So in future over the next few weeks for as long as I can see into the near future , I shall continue to take my shifter kart and perhaps the lil 50cc along for a run at both circuits, and if things really work out, this 125 4 speed 4 banger too.
And am more than happy to have you guys to tag along and perhaps build something in this area from those places mentioned that already exsist and built with govermet money and grants on government land.
Because the council know , and the more of us that band together and kick both Arnetts in the balls consitantly the worse they look with the local councils eyes . And a joint lease isn't out of the question. Not if we keep creating headaches .
PM me and we will que it up...
Cheers .
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28-09-2010, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by insanenissan So... Here i go. Sunday night me and a few mates went and jumped the fence at the local go cart track here in bendigo. Had a few laps then a old bloke came upto us and this is when it all started. First he was cutting sick, throwing abuse left right and centre at us... then we got him to calm down and talk about it.
It looks like for Bendigo and surrounding areas, we will have less then 1% chance of being able to ride around legally or on a track. The AKA ( Australia Karting Assosation ) do not allow pocketbike's at all only any track's. This guy was the priesident of the Bendigo Kart Club, and says we are pushing **** up hill.
He said a guy named "Brian" ? has been trying for at least 2 years with no success. Not only would the insurance be massive for us, being 2 wheels, but its trying to convince the counsil to also let us ride.
So this has really dampened my spirts on pocketbike riding. Who the hell wants to ride up and down the street for 5 minutes with the thought of getting slapped with 1200$ worth of fines, then nigga bolting into your shed and hide etc?
For me and about 20 other local pocketbike enthusist's we are way too busy to haul *** to melbourne to ride ours bikes, or warnambool.
Does anyone have any solid info on the subject, if so can you share. The bendigo Kart Club have been trying to get a new track for 12years now, and no progress at all, yet in bendigo the counsil pops up a brand new skate park so more fearls can run a muck in the "Bronx" (Eaglehawk).
Sigh, i feel like a sook but bleh...
ps. the old prick also said to have any chance at riding on a track locally, a track would have to be slapped down right in private property... | Mate you doing this all wronge jumping the fence and riding illegaly on AKA track will only make your chances of ever getting on it legally almost zero, not to mention they could have you charged as its actually private property of the AKA , what you need to do is first off approach MA motor cycling aust
explain your current situation if you pay your fees do your test they may help draft a letter to the bendigo kart club or you do it yourself , with the backing of MA you will have insurance to cover you on a AKA track thats first problem fixed , secondly as you say there is 20 local guys well at $25 each thats $500 that can be your track hire fee for the day, so you approach the bendigo kart club with a offer to hire the track with MA ins for $500 per day, due to past actions your not exactly starting off on good note i would suggest you maybe apologise for past issue with fence jumping and offer to work with the kart guys maybe as a gesture of good will offer to assit them with maybe a working bee or track clean day if thats too much trouble then you will be left with just illegally riding the street until one day the boys in blue will put a stop to that , its a slow hard path but it can be done with the right attitude the guys at south west mino motto have done all the hard work for you already , but if you insist you dont have the time to haul *** down there , then you will have to do all the hard work yourself but it can be done as it has in other states but you have to be prepared to go throught all the correct channels and pay money to the AKA to legally use there facality, you guys get to ride legally the bendigo kart club make some money everyone is a winner and insurance is all done correctly throught MA this is the only legal way to get on AKA tracks
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28-09-2010, 04:30 PM
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PaulK,
Mate your wrong. Because he has no chance of getting on there the legal way with VKA/AKA @ Bendigo . Been tried by many .
They lost a law suit in Fed court @ over $half a million cost and still won't play ball .
AKA do not want or like you (pocketbikes) . Get it into your head ! You are a threat .
you are the competition no different from other karting organisations . I can tell you know if Bendigo club lost 2 regular club day members to pocket bike racing at the same venue on a different day there club days would be over by lunch time and say for eg 25 pocket bikers showed up on regular club day bassis, you have almost doubled the amount of competitors they get per average club day. Fact.
They want you to build your own place . And we know locally that is not going to happen when a perfect complex is currently available .
Even if local council did offer up some land to build a new track those same people who are keeping you out from the Bendigo track will do the same again and if your lucky, maybe then get the track as it would then be the "old" bendigo track .
But they can't get any, hence the recent upgrades .Even that was lucky after DSE inspected and said the current track mods have to be kept within those boundaries already used. No trees can be moved and no large amounts of soil can moved due to catchment area's etc..
All your suggestion of appologising, working bee's etc are nothing but laughable. $77 odd a year is all they pay. Not a lot of over heads to maintain on keeping it their club and their club only.
They will happily convince their current memebers that pocket bikes will destroy their track . If you think you can get copies of the clubs AGM's etc to see if the matter has even been raised your fooling yourself.
We have tried unsuccesfully for over 2 the last 2 years, even members of the club can't get them..
Insanenissan is doing the right thing in way , and that's forcing the council to step in .
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28-09-2010, 05:10 PM
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We have had similar issues over here in Perth, but since affiliating with MA it has opened alot of doors for us.
One thing you may also want to investigate is "dual purpose facility" because our kart clubs are only leased the land at these laughable rates due to the fact that they're "dual purpose" i.e. karts and something else??? eg. bikes???
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28-09-2010, 06:16 PM
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dual lease is the go
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28-09-2010, 07:08 PM
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the land my be lease it dose not mater how much they are charged to lease it they are the legal tenants .and i would say that the kart club would of paid for the track and all the facility's. if you enter with out permission you are breaking the law. if you want to ride there you should offer to hire there track but you will need your own insurance if they don't want to hire there track there is nothing you can do about it. the facts are gear box it costs money to race or ride pocket bike on a track you must have insurance. there are people in minimoto all around Australia who have worked hard at securing race tracks and getting affiliated with motorcycle Australia and forming a bond with aka. you are just a **** stain on all there hard work if you were halve serious you would drive down to wanamboll or up to Melbourne
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