2005 Australian Pocket Racing Titles

[Pocket Racer ( Australia)]

Hi Fellow Racers

Pocket Racer has organised the 2005 Australian Pocket Bike Titles. We have stepped forward to organise this series as we run race meeting every week with up to 100 riders per meeting. Which we believe is the largest events of there kind in Australia, closely followed by Braxton at the GP Training Centre in Vic which have 70 – 80 riders approxiately once a month, We have had long discussions with him in trying to find the most common classes to run as a Australia Title.

A Race Series with 3 rounds at 3 completely different tracks.. in two different class of bikes and 3 different classes of riders…

We have access to full computerised lap timing equipment as well as big screen speed radars, to display speeds on.

There are some guideline rules set out at the moment and they can be found at:

http://www.pocketracer.com.au/webcontent30.htm

THESE ARE JUST GUIDE LINES and want feedback.. we want the racing to be as fair as possible.

We know a few other importers and dealer are pissed off, but we ALL want to turn this fad into a sport.. POCKET RACER IS OUT THERE DOING STUFF.. not just sitting around a computer talking about it.

Pocket Racer ( Australia ) putting up $$$$ plus time to organise this and if anyone has a problem with these RULES .. PLEASE discus it ..lets get an even playing field for us all.

WE WILL CHANGE ANY RULE THAT WILL GET MORE PEOPLE TO RACE FAIRLY..

e.g. if you don’t want head and barrel kits then.. simple.. if the MAJORITY don’t want it .. then they are OUT !!

e.g. if someone can come up with a STOCK CLASS formula then .. we are open to suggestions… but I believe it is IMPOSSIBLE as the number of differences we have seen would be unfair, our STANDARD motor is 2 KW and most others are 1.7KW.. we have tested most of the different brands on the dyno..

So a standard class WOULD BE in Pocket Racer’s favour which would not be fair.

For example - for a stock class

POCKET RACER could put up 30 – 40 identical engines from the SAME factory.. everyone picks one ... POCKET RACER team would pick thiers LAST.. and THAT WOULD BE FAR.. but people want to play with their engines and work them, that is half the fun.. and FUN is want this is all about..

But this would cost $$$ as everyone would have to buy a NEW engine.. and even at a sponored rate .. its still $$$.. and if one engine suxed then complaint after complaint.. it’s just better to set some rules and stick to them.

We want to race as many different Brand (including Italian brands) on a fair playing field. The GRC , Polini’s and Blata will be on the same tyres.. and therefore evening things up, and the majority of these bikes are under 40cc.

The series is for the MAJORITY not minority… but it will cost $$$$, you will need to travel, and Pocket Racer will $$$ “help” pay for transportation costs of bikes to and from Sydney ( For the NSW riders ) Gold Coast, Adelaide and Melbourne. The rest of the country we can help via extremely cheap rates on Couriers.. This way people can just fly down for the weekend and race.

If you don’t have $ 1,500 to race in this series then it may not be for you, as this should be a realistic race budget for a 3 round series. But most people should be able to afford $ 500.00 a month, as racing will be spaced 4 – 6 weeks apart. BUT if you live in a State racing a round of the series then at least you can have a go against the BEST of the BEST and enter just one round.

Pocket Racer will also offer a 10%-15% on any parts that will be used in the race series.. this discount system is to be confirmed and will be organised closer to the events.

Pocket Racer are not trying to control this FAD .. just trying to turn it into a NATIONAL SPORT with a set of common rules over all states.

What is the use of having one set of rules in Vic , Qld and S.A. if someone in NSW has another set.. we could never race on the same playing field.

Our racing in Qld has been running successfully for over 12 months and the rules have grown from this experience.

Please have a read of the proposed rules and please make constructive comments

If you don’t like something.. SAY SO.. And see what the majority have to say.

We could organise a voting system for CONFIRMED registered people.. NOT one person voting 10-100 times to get there way.

http://www.pocketracer.com.au/webcontent30.htm have a read and a good long think about it.. then .. make your comments

Martin Brien
The Pocket Racer Team
P.S. Mark – Ozscoot - grow up will you. Help instead of hinder .. if you have a problem with any rules then .. tell us.. have them changed. I want to beat your team fair and square. That’s what racing is about, you are taking this too personally, help the sport, and prove your product on the track, action speak louder than words

[x]

martin- would a JT engine putting 14hp out like kurt and sharkys be allowed to compete in this series?? just wondering, as i'm tossing up between getting one or not...

[Pocket Racer ( Australia)]

Simple answer - YES

As the Blata B1, GRC with a BZI and Polini can all have 13.5+ HP engines stock...

We have seen some STOCK PR-50W fly compare to others.. the chinese just are not consistant with there engine building..

Once JT has finished with the engine, they are all the same.

This series is for ALL racers.. not just a few stock chinese bikes.

I would love to see a Chinese $ 2,000.00 bike blow the wheels of a $6,000.oo Italian bike.

Once you have more than 10+HP it is all rider anyway.. but more HP helps

[stocky]

The rules look fair enough to me.

If you can afford to travel to race etc then you can afford the engine bits.

I'm not sure about the head kit though.

As for water cooled, JT isn't the only one making 14hp.

My water cooled goes past a stock one like it's standing still and if you think there aren't other people all over Australia with as good or better motors than Kurt has then you are kidding yourself.
Plus you only set the motor up once and it's done. No big deal. The best bit is that you have 14hp to play with :twisted:

Just get the same motor from the same engine builder and see if you are a better rider :roll:

Pocketracer is right , after 10hp the rider plays a much bigger part.

I'm sure "other dealers" will have a chop at this proposal but I don't see them orgainsing anything like it ...... just slaging off at everyone.

:wink:

[the man]

i believe that a stock class should be stock with nothing done to any part of the bike except to replace the exhaust as the chinese ones fall apart. I know that all different pocket bikes come out with different kw readings but isn't that a part of the sport. if your bike isn't as quick as the others then you have to think a bit more about where you can make up your time like you can brake later inot the corners or maintain a faster midcorner speed.

this is racing there are a lot of varibles that we can't control but if we try to control them then it can sometimes cause bigger problems.

My idea is put out the idea of running a complete stock class and then a modified class, because not every one has the same tastes.

[stocky]

The idea is good but I can tell you no matter how good a rider you are if you have the slower end of the market bike you couldn't beat a decent rider on a bike from the other end of the market.

The performance difference is just too big.

I'm all for it , my bikes are quick stright out the box :P but some of the guys I race against have no hope. They could be Valentino Rossi and I'd still win.

:?

[the man]

After a bit of thinking why don't we get an idea of what type of pocket bikes people has in australia and take the top 5 lets say and put them on the dyno and see how much horsepower they are putting out and then u can modified the bikes to the highest horsepower output?

[stocky]

For the long term why don't we say that the stock class must "apear" stock and that any other competitor can buy your engine for $300 at the completion of any race meeting.

Think about it.

A short motor is $200.

If you spend more than $100 inside it. You might be giving it away after one race meeting :cry:

If a competitor wants you motor , you remove all externals, and give it to hime for $300 CASH right there.

Then if anyone wants to bitch, they can put up the $$$ or shut up.

If you think someone has a really good motor you can buy it. But you may not have it long :lol:

Stops engine tunners developing "cheater" motors too, cause it will just go to the oposition

This would just be for the "STOCK" class.

Just an idea

[KneeDeepRacing]

Just to add to stocky's post, i race full size road bikes and there is a class called superlights/buckets which consists of old H-100's, and cb-125's etc and when this class started out if someone offered to buy your bike cause it looked quick you had the accept the offer (i think the price was around $600 or something) or else they wouldn't let you race. So something like that for a stock class could probly work, cause it means if you cheat and spend a lot of money on your motor your going to loose out. Cheers Ben

[Xhiler8r]

All sounds good in theory but then you have some guy that weighs 76kgs in the senior heavy against a guy that comes in at 100kg both of the riders on the same stock bikes who do you think is going to have the advantage. There is a lot of work to be done to bring this so called stock class off the ground and I would hate to be the person weighing up all the different aspects to try and make it fair for everyone

thats just my 2c worth but I do look forward to deeing it happen one day :lol: