I have decided to write this as an email to send to everyone rather than post on a forum so that those that do not wish to read it can just delete it those that do please read on, as I will only state facts ! not hearsay.. It can not be edited and I cannot be banned from a forum if certain people do not agree with the facts, Not rumour, Not twisted excerpts to suit my own agenda, Just facts. I have printed copies and witnesses to substantiate any facts that I will remark upon.
I will keep a copy of this email and will forward copy of the original to all those that request.
I feel the time has come for me to write this email, I have sat back and tried to keep myself out of all of the bickering to just "Get the job done" so to speak.
Some people have made claims that the club has just sat stagnant and done nothing to move this sport forward.
I have actually been named as one of the 3 people in this state holding this sport back.
What I did to deserve that comment is beyond me. Maybe the person who made it would like to give a valid reason.
I created a site for the club and maintained it for 12months free of charge, I also supplied certificates for race meetings with no request for mention of sponsorship. I have collated scores and published them.
I have been a member and on the committee since its conception and given many hrs to help develop and promote this sport. Yes much of it has been behind the scenes and no I chose not to become part of the forum community for just this reason. Subject myself to this ? No Thanks ! Selfish I know but this is a hobby for me. I have no inclination of subjecting myself to the hammering abuse that others have endured.
The club has been moving forward but greatest hurdle has been insurance, without this we cannot competitively race as a club.
What is the point in taking membership fees until we can race.
I am sick of this being a one sided argument where those accused of doing the wrong thing have no right of reply. Things are being twisted and the result is that Track owners are being coerced into thinking that the club is an evil presence that is causing trouble for the Pocket bike community in South Australia.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, everyone has the right to promote their own business/team/bike class etc, but I don't believe this should be at the expense or detriment of another's business or person.
There are people out there that have tried to put information out there about racing/riding at various venues across Adelaide. Each time a post was made or a comment was made, certain people jumped straight in and abused the people posting. This then escalated into various members being banned from that forum. Others just simply got away with their comments without question or reprimand.
ITS ABOUT RACING AND HAVING FUN GUYS. Last time I looked there are no sheep stations up for offer.
Another forum was then created so that these certain people had control of this forum. To edit, delete and ban people at will, if they did not like or agree with statements made.
People have been banned for so much as asking for a reason why a post had been edited or deleted. Others were banned for mentioning the northern track.
Racing was still being held at the Northern track and since a certain individual had been banned from this track all he could do was ridicule and blatantly hurl abuse through the forums.
Anyone associated at all with this Northern track has also been subject to this abuse.
Lets face it, this at the time, was the ONLY place to ride.
The second track that was made available to the pocket bike community was gratefully embraced by many, and even though it is further to travel, made the effort to get down and enjoy the fantastic hospitality that was on offer. I personally thank the people involved in this track.
The club would love to be able to RACE at this track TOO but insurance must be procured first ! (Moto gp is not just held over 10 meetings at the same track)
The forum matter became such that a request was made, directed at ALL committee members that such behaviour was not inline with the club constitution and to consider some decorum when making statements.
This was met with such aggression from a certain member questioning what authority the club had, ruling what he said or did. NONE just don't be a part of the club if you cant follow a simple rule of respect for others.
Since then, this individual has had a bee in his bonnet with the club and its committee. Even those that remained unbiased and showed faith that all could be resolved in time, have now become subject to this individuals abuse. This individual has gathered some support out there and with this forum, shaped and moulded, by deleting and editing posts they create information to suit themselves, making the club suffer.
So much so that a committee member did post some remarks and stepped outside the boundaries of the constitution.(Personal remarks about another). This was then twisted and turned into threat of violence. resulting in a track ban for that person. This person still holds the utmost respect for the track concerned and has discussed the matter with them. This matter was also dealt with by the committee in the same manner as before, a formal warning was given (the same courtesy shown to the first offender) this committee member accepted this reprimand and got on with it. The only reason the first offender was asked to step down was due to the aggressive manner in which he responded to the request of decorum.
The latest antics have just blown ME away. A ban was placed on a child and that child was also abused for asking why many posts had been deleted.
To bicker between adults is one thing but leave the kids out of it.
I am not willing nor would I expect others to subject their children to such an aggressive environment.
This was after a response was made regarding the Racing event to be held in the near future. The club was contacted to consider being a co-host of this event. Help was offered by a certain individual, and a reply of thanks added. Presumptuous in regards to thinking the offer of co-hosting would come to fruition ? Maybe. But nothing suggested that this wouldn't be the case.
This was in a friendly manner and without disrespect. This resulted in a ban. Why ?? question it and you are abused and accused of causing trouble.
The problem with a forum is, the post is subject to the readers interpretation.
I was asked to place a forum on our club site but I refused as there is no control unless you sit there 24/7 to moderate but then the damage is done when a negative post is made.
If this forums did not exist we would not have this issue we have right now.
The latest post that I viewed was beyond belief, the cursing hidden by *'s really shows contempt and the constant remarks stating that the club is to blame for all this is just absurd.
The committee has nothing to gain financially or otherwise, just to give riders a place to ride and an organisation to enable this. Remember "NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANISATION"
This forum is just being used to denigrate the people involved in the club and to promote themselves to be seen as the innocent party. This is not fair and history shows this.
The future will also tell.
As for the amount of time and great expense in creating and hosting the site/forum for such a short time................................ jump on the band wagon buddy.
Others past and present have devoted a great many more hrs to getting this sport off the ground. Not just sitting in front of a computer talking about it.
If you don't wish to be a part of the club then create your own club and let us get on with ours. It is not an easy task to get things moving. Just ask the last committee who also went to extraordinary effort. I was a part of that too and have seen how much effort has been put into all of this. We have finally spread our wings, and have a group of people that ARE doing something and it is almost there.
Stop trying to tear it down and turn track owners against us !
I hope that once this is all finalised we can come to the table with the relevant parties and create a family environment to promote the sport and ALL of those involved to make this sport what it deserves to be.
Insurance details with a certificate of currency are not far off and we will be able to meet parties concerned to discuss where and when racing can be run.
I hope that in the near future discussions can be held to make sure that track owners have ALL of the information to make a true judgement of character of all involved.
I have decided to write this as an email to send to everyone rather than post on a forum so that those that do not wish to read it can just delete it those that do please read on, as I will only state facts ! not hearsay.. It can not be edited and I cannot be banned from a forum if certain people do not agree with the facts, Not rumour, Not twisted excerpts to suit my own agenda, Just facts. I have printed copies and witnesses to substantiate any facts that I will remark upon.
I will keep a copy of this email and will forward copy of the original to all those that request.
I feel the time has come for me to write this email, I have sat back and tried to keep myself out of all of the bickering to just "Get the job done" so to speak.
Some people have made claims that the club has just sat stagnant and done nothing to move this sport forward.
I have actually been named as one of the 3 people in this state holding this sport back.
What I did to deserve that comment is beyond me. Maybe the person who made it would like to give a valid reason.
I created a site for the club and maintained it for 12months free of charge, I also supplied certificates for race meetings with no request for mention of sponsorship. I have collated scores and published them.
I have been a member and on the committee since its conception and given many hrs to help develop and promote this sport. Yes much of it has been behind the scenes and no I chose not to become part of the forum community for just this reason. Subject myself to this ? No Thanks ! Selfish I know but this is a hobby for me. I have no inclination of subjecting myself to the hammering abuse that others have endured.
The club has been moving forward but greatest hurdle has been insurance, without this we cannot competitively race as a club.
What is the point in taking membership fees until we can race.
I am sick of this being a one sided argument where those accused of doing the wrong thing have no right of reply. Things are being twisted and the result is that Track owners are being coerced into thinking that the club is an evil presence that is causing trouble for the Pocket bike community in South Australia.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion, everyone has the right to promote their own business/team/bike class etc, but I don't believe this should be at the expense or detriment of another's business or person.
There are people out there that have tried to put information out there about racing/riding at various venues across Adelaide. Each time a post was made or a comment was made, certain people jumped straight in and abused the people posting. This then escalated into various members being banned from that forum. Others just simply got away with their comments without question or reprimand.
ITS ABOUT RACING AND HAVING FUN GUYS. Last time I looked there are no sheep stations up for offer.
Another forum was then created so that these certain people had control of this forum. To edit, delete and ban people at will, if they did not like or agree with statements made.
People have been banned for so much as asking for a reason why a post had been edited or deleted. Others were banned for mentioning the northern track.
Racing was still being held at the Northern track and since a certain individual had been banned from this track all he could do was ridicule and blatantly hurl abuse through the forums.
Anyone associated at all with this Northern track has also been subject to this abuse.
Lets face it, this at the time, was the ONLY place to ride.
The second track that was made available to the pocket bike community was gratefully embraced by many, and even though it is further to travel, made the effort to get down and enjoy the fantastic hospitality that was on offer. I personally thank the people involved in this track.
The club would love to be able to RACE at this track TOO but insurance must be procured first ! (Moto gp is not just held over 10 meetings at the same track)
The forum matter became such that a request was made, directed at ALL committee members that such behaviour was not inline with the club constitution and to consider some decorum when making statements.
This was met with such aggression from a certain member questioning what authority the club had, ruling what he said or did. NONE just don't be a part of the club if you cant follow a simple rule of respect for others.
Since then, this individual has had a bee in his bonnet with the club and its committee. Even those that remained unbiased and showed faith that all could be resolved in time, have now become subject to this individuals abuse. This individual has gathered some support out there and with this forum, shaped and moulded, by deleting and editing posts they create information to suit themselves, making the club suffer.
So much so that a committee member did post some remarks and stepped outside the boundaries of the constitution.(Personal remarks about another). This was then twisted and turned into threat of violence. resulting in a track ban for that person. This person still holds the utmost respect for the track concerned and has discussed the matter with them. This matter was also dealt with by the committee in the same manner as before, a formal warning was given (the same courtesy shown to the first offender) this committee member accepted this reprimand and got on with it. The only reason the first offender was asked to step down was due to the aggressive manner in which he responded to the request of decorum.
The latest antics have just blown ME away. A ban was placed on a child and that child was also abused for asking why many posts had been deleted.
To bicker between adults is one thing but leave the kids out of it.
I am not willing nor would I expect others to subject their children to such an aggressive environment.
This was after a response was made regarding the Racing event to be held in the near future. The club was contacted to consider being a co-host of this event. Help was offered by a certain individual, and a reply of thanks added. Presumptuous in regards to thinking the offer of co-hosting would come to fruition ? Maybe. But nothing suggested that this wouldn't be the case.
This was in a friendly manner and without disrespect. This resulted in a ban. Why ?? question it and you are abused and accused of causing trouble.
The problem with a forum is, the post is subject to the readers interpretation.
I was asked to place a forum on our club site but I refused as there is no control unless you sit there 24/7 to moderate but then the damage is done when a negative post is made.
If this forums did not exist we would not have this issue we have right now.
The latest post that I viewed was beyond belief, the cursing hidden by *'s really shows contempt and the constant remarks stating that the club is to blame for all this is just absurd.
The committee has nothing to gain financially or otherwise, just to give riders a place to ride and an organisation to enable this. Remember "NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANISATION"
This forum is just being used to denigrate the people involved in the club and to promote themselves to be seen as the innocent party. This is not fair and history shows this.
The future will also tell.
As for the amount of time and great expense in creating and hosting the site/forum for such a short time................................ jump on the band wagon buddy.
Others past and present have devoted a great many more hrs to getting this sport off the ground. Not just sitting in front of a computer talking about it.
If you don't wish to be a part of the club then create your own club and let us get on with ours. It is not an easy task to get things moving. Just ask the last committee who also went to extraordinary effort. I was a part of that too and have seen how much effort has been put into all of this. We have finally spread our wings, and have a group of people that ARE doing something and it is almost there.
Stop trying to tear it down and turn track owners against us !
I hope that once this is all finalised we can come to the table with the relevant parties and create a family environment to promote the sport and ALL of those involved to make this sport what it deserves to be.
Insurance details with a certificate of currency are not far off and we will be able to meet parties concerned to discuss where and when racing can be run.
I hope that in the near future discussions can be held to make sure that track owners have ALL of the information to make a true judgement of character of all involved.
Regards To all
Jeremy
President Adelaide Pocket Bike Association"
Not a personal attack Jeremy, but why if all this has been obviously brewing in the last 5 months haven't I heard from you? If you realised the animosity between members and ex-members of the APBA why as a track owner prepared to co-promote a State Title nicknamed "The Big Race" haven't you even given me a phone call?
The Pits will now only be available to friends and purchasers until you have a National Association or at the minimum the South Australian scene can approach us on a unified front. If you haven't figured by now that after 25 years involvement in motorsport I don't need the pocket sized ego bashings, then maybe you're not as clever as you thought you were.
I did not call as I beleived that given time, we could all set aside our differences to race together and bring back the fun.
I did not wish to become involved in the bickering.
But now with each post that was made in the other forum, trying to explain or refute any accusations made, or even kids that just ask simple questions, are jumped on with bans and harsh words. I felt at least a bit of history, of which some may not have been aware of needed to be told.
All I offered you and your establishment in my post was thanks for your hospitality and a great venue.
I have always tried to remain unbiased and respectful of ALL businesses and members involved. I see that I am not welcome at your track and will respect your wishes to stay away from it.
I am sorry that you have made up your mind with only half of the information.
Shit i thought i had problems,Pocket bikes and clubs are for fun.Any bullshit should be kept out of it.The big problem is when the clubs get to big.TO MANY DICKHEADS try to run it.Man KEEP YA COOL Ride and enjoy.If ya dont .Then get out.
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6 bikes.
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one with RD top end kit.14/14 carby,carbon 3 stage fiber reeds,zx1 pipe
one with 55cc chainsaw top end, PBU pipe
ZX1 Taipan. PBU pipe,banshee engine.
Polini clutch bell .
2 X Banshees SHO
1 fitted with polini clutch,black widow triple stage reeds
19mm del rep carby,,billet head,billet reed cage, 6/76 gearing,sava tyres
1 fitted with 50cc BZM blata engine ,21mm walbro and BZM gold crank ( dangerous now:o)
1 blata SQ roller only SRT Spooge Racing Team NTH Division
As I don't have any real interest in racing since I broke my collar bone I just want somewhere to ride my bikes with my friends from time to time as we have been regulars to you open nights especially on tuesday nights, I hope this means, we, as a group of friends are still welcome to your establishment.
On another note, I have been involved in this sport since it started here in adelaide and have seen so many people come and go.
I have been through hell and back, my brother has broken his thumb at the pits track and my self my collar bone, but I am still here willing to ride my bike because I love the sport and the social side that this sport brings.
What I am saying is that all sports go through this sort of thing at some stage, it is just a matter of everyone finally realising that the sport that they all love is improtant not just to them but to their familiy and friends.
I have certainly had my issue with one person, but when I saw this person at the pits I did not worry about him I just wanted to enjoy my time at the track even though I could not ride, we did not speak to each other and we kept away from each other like it should be.
I still believe that the APBA are trying their hardest to get this sport moving forward and I do believe that certain individualls don't necessarly agree with the ways in which things have been delt with, but unfortunalty so many things have taken such a long time to sort out, and even once these things are sorted there are even more things that need to be sorted before any form of racing can begin to happen here in SA.
Yes I am a comittee member and I have had my jobs to do but these are nothing like the work that 2 people have had to do over the last few months. These things have been so difficult to achieve, and finally things are begining to look up then something else happens to dampen the good things that have been gained.
I think perhaps if we really want to show we want this sport we all need to get together and show the operators of these tracks that we are serious about this sport and we are willing to let the past stay in the past otherwise this sport will die a quick death.
I am in no way directing this at any individual, I am directing this to the SA community for the sake of the furure of pocket bikes.
I say It is about time we all pull our heads together for the future no matter what our differences are and just get on with it now otherwise there will only be one place to ride, in our back yards.
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Shotgun: Better known as Pistol Pete.
What is the point in taking membership fees until we can race
this is why you have members so they can vote who they want on the commitee to represent what a majority of members want
also to raise the funding for insurance
i for one have had a gut full of trying to sort through the threads & posts
you mention about other forums but then the crap gets brought over here ?? why
mabee we the moderators & admin should not let people have the freedom to post their comments & just delete posts ?? because thats what it comming down to
i for one am sick of reading it sort it out between yourself's via msn or email
this gos for everyone involved
Ride and enjoy.If ya dont .Then get out.
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