Beware scam by Josh Moto

[LISCIMOTOR]

Beware scam by Josh Moto

Hi guys, I'm several years providing engines, motorcycles and spare parts to Joshua Quek Siu Choon - Josh Moto.
For many months I have pending a large order placed by Josh which include 2 motors received from Josh for the preparation and the necessary repairs, an order of a kart 50cc engine and many spare parts for a total value of approximately € 5000.00, IAME engine has been paid in installments, as agreed, will be shipped together with the remaining material with a single shipment, of course, after full payment of order.
In March, however, I sent Josh to the two shipments of material ordered with one of which I am still waiting for a balance of € 332.00 which was due to arrive May 5, 2011.
Unfortunately we spoke with Paul josh Scurcia of pbp and a friend of Germany, and said he did not have financial resources to pay the order, but promises it will pay.
Both Paul and another mutual friend, which does not reveal the name, they told him that his behavior is not correct, since the ordered goods are all available and already paid by me.
At this point in josh wrote on a forum in Brazil that I'm cheating, but after Mark Choel published an exchange of messages between him and Paul Scurcia showing my seriousness and the impropriety of the same Josh has put in place a scam to me that you briefly:

Josh has always paid using the Paypal method and has always made small payments spezzettai upstream of much higher amounts, then Josh has opened practices Chargeback against me for item not received for a total of approximately € 1600.00, including goods received, I proceeded to challenge all of these practices for all payments received from February 2011 to date by informing paypal track data delivery and I filed a complaint for fraud complaint to the competent Italian authorities give you my job to protect my legal company that is serious and has always delivered the goods paid by customers. Some of the items chargeback payments relate to amounts paid in advance and confirmation of orders made, because the Italian law as a legal practice that a seller requires a deposit amount to an order received.

Therefore I tell you anything to prevent others from being scammed like me Josh and swindling people like him to be careful not to sell to Josh and he does not accept PayPal payments as the practice of chargebacks can be opened up to 150 days before, but to request bank transfer and to ensure the protection of customer shipments.

I will care about all the Italian merchants to these facts and be careful not to accept Paypal but bank transfer from Josh.

For fair trade, I always gave Josh the opportunity to pay the order with the next shipment, but his response is documented that it will not pay any money and wants to cancel any pending order and stop any relationship, then a second email wants to get back in behind the engine which fortunately stopped at my shop, and only then will pay, everything is documented by email and MSN.

Thank you and hello Alvaro Smooth Liscimotor



Recomendo a todos Lisci Racing

Para quem tem alguma duvida ainda vou manter esta mensagem aqui por 2 dias:
Aqui vai o comentário de Paolo sobre o ocorrido...

[09:08:16] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: hi man How are you? you know Josh of Singapore This man cam cam into my Forum and to speak badly of Alvaro Lisci I'm confused Alvaro "seems a good personal I bought him some of the items That You not sell I was very well attended [09:08:17] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho:That bad situation
[09:08:20] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho:Also I spoke with Daniele
[09:09:01] scubammx Paolo PBP: hi
[09:09:07] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: hi
[09:09:12] scubammx Paolo PBP: how are you?
[09:09:17] scubammx Paolo PBP: Alvaro is Good
[09:09:36] scubammx Paolo PBP: Josh just buyed more items that the money he have....
[09:09:48] scubammx Paolo PBP: you should not buy goods , if you do not have money...
[09:09:49] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I imagined
[09:09:53] scubammx Paolo PBP: this is the problem...
[09:10:18] scubammx Paolo PBP: you and me, no problem, if you tell me "paolo i will pay you next week"
[09:10:23] scubammx Paolo PBP: is not problem, i ship ...
[09:10:28] scubammx Paolo PBP: but alvaro , ships only when get money...
[09:11:11] scubammx Paolo PBP: we are firends...
[09:11:20] scubammx Paolo PBP: but alvaro dont have friends...
[09:11:27] scubammx Paolo PBP: but he have the right to do this ...
[09:11:32] scubammx Paolo PBP: Josh is wrong
[09:11:42] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: huuuuu
[09:12:18] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: Is this man
[09:12:51] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I wanted to hear from you
[09:13:07] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I wnated listen you
[09:13:38] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I therefore recommend you
[09:14:20] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I do not want my friends in Brazil have problems
[09:15:16] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: I also want to tell you that I am very pleased with the attendance of Daniele
[09:15:23] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: Good man
[09:15:35] Marco Aurelio Peniche de Souza Coelho: Thanks for information

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this is always a shame to hear of when things like this happen especially in such a small industry like minimoto, i personally have dealt with Alvaro for a number of years & found him always more then helpful.
Also i made payments of instalments as Josh did & always found the amount paid & amount owed to be correct.
I have no problem personally recommending Lisci Motor to anybody looking make either a large order or a small order.
Even with the postage i always received tracking numbers & was able to track until delivered to my door.

[Natquarium]

I am writing in this forum to warned and cautioned everybody to be very careful of Alvero Lisci from ww.lisciracingteam.com.
I have been dealing with him for the past 2 years.

One month ago,Alvero had received my 2 engines(Orioli engine & Polini reverse engine) which i had courier from my country to let him tune both of them.

Recently, I had made a full payment to Alvero for new (iame engine) which I have yet to receive this third engine purchase. Also paid Alvero for another payment of 1000euro for an urgent shipment to be send to me. For this urgent shipment, I still have a outstanding payment of 186.96euro to complete the order and I have intention to quickly send Alvero the remaining balance amount plus an amount from a previous shipment which balance 332 euro.
All of a sudden, Alvero told me that I have to pay him 4400euro for this urgent shipment. and worst of all, the 186.96euro that balance from the current order has suddenly increased in the proformal invoice which became 396.41euro.

Now, Alvero demands that all my 3 engines which I had bought from him(2 for tuning+1 new )would be possessed by him if I don't pay him the full payment of 4400euro(this figure does not even have a Proformal Invoice) plus the money of 1000euro(urgent shipment) which I send to him too will be in his hands.
Alvero also demanded me to pay him another 30euro for his time taken up in MSN chat to deal with me.
This case is already considered as extortion as Alvero had unlawfully possess my money and property by demanding that I pay him the unaccounted amount.
I sincerely advise everyone to stop your dealings with Alvero as he would definitely continued these unreasonable extortion which by now Alvero does not even realised the substantial consequences he will be facing very soon from the authorities for the loss of my 3 engines and my money. If anyone interested, I can even send the messages that lisci wrote to me.

[Natquarium]

Originally Posted by Natquarium

I am writing in this forum to warned and cautioned everybody to be very careful of Alvero Lisci from ww.lisciracingteam.com.
I have been dealing with him for the past 2 years.

One month ago,Alvero had received my 2 engines(Orioli engine & Polini reverse engine) which i had courier from my country to let him tune both of them.

Recently, I had made a full payment to Alvero for new (iame engine) which I have yet to receive this third engine purchase. Also paid Alvero for another payment of 1000euro for an urgent shipment to be send to me. For this urgent shipment, I still have a outstanding payment of 186.96euro to complete the order and I have intention to quickly send Alvero the remaining balance amount plus an amount from a previous shipment which balance 332 euro.
All of a sudden, Alvero told me that I have to pay him 4400euro for this urgent shipment. and worst of all, the 186.96euro that balance from the current order has suddenly increased in the proformal invoice which became 396.41euro.

Now, Alvero demands that all my 3 engines which I had bought from him(2 for tuning+1 new )would be possessed by him if I don't pay him the full payment of 4400euro(this figure does not even have a Proformal Invoice) plus the money of 1000euro(urgent shipment) which I send to him too will be in his hands.
Alvero also demanded me to pay him another 30euro for his time taken up in MSN chat to deal with me.
This case is already considered as extortion as Alvero had unlawfully possess my money and property by demanding that I pay him the unaccounted amount.
I sincerely advise everyone to stop your dealings with Alvero as he would definitely continued these unreasonable extortion which by now Alvero does not even realised the substantial consequences he will be facing very soon from the authorities for the loss of my 3 engines and my money. If anyone interested, I can even send the messages that lisci wrote to me.

He didn't mention this part of the story to you guys yet did you.

[TheClaw70]

I have a feeling this is going to get dirtier before it gets cleaner!

[LISCIMOTOR]

Originally Posted by Natquarium

I am writing in this forum to warned and cautioned everybody to be very careful of Alvero Lisci from ww.lisciracingteam.com.
I have been dealing with him for the past 2 years.

One month ago,Alvero had received my 2 engines(Orioli engine & Polini reverse engine) which i had courier from my country to let him tune both of them.

Recently, I had made a full payment to Alvero for new (iame engine) which I have yet to receive this third engine purchase. Also paid Alvero for another payment of 1000euro for an urgent shipment to be send to me. For this urgent shipment, I still have a outstanding payment of 186.96euro to complete the order and I have intention to quickly send Alvero the remaining balance amount plus an amount from a previous shipment which balance 332 euro.
All of a sudden, Alvero told me that I have to pay him 4400euro for this urgent shipment. and worst of all, the 186.96euro that balance from the current order has suddenly increased in the proformal invoice which became 396.41euro.

Now, Alvero demands that all my 3 engines which I had bought from him(2 for tuning+1 new )would be possessed by him if I don't pay him the full payment of 4400euro(this figure does not even have a Proformal Invoice) plus the money of 1000euro(urgent shipment) which I send to him too will be in his hands.
Alvero also demanded me to pay him another 30euro for his time taken up in MSN chat to deal with me.
This case is already considered as extortion as Alvero had unlawfully possess my money and property by demanding that I pay him the unaccounted amount.
I sincerely advise everyone to stop your dealings with Alvero as he would definitely continued these unreasonable extortion which by now Alvero does not even realised the substantial consequences he will be facing very soon from the authorities for the loss of my 3 engines and my money. If anyone interested, I can even send the messages that lisci wrote to me.

Caro Josh , vedi , tu stesso confermi ciò che dico io , infatti devi ancora pagare un saldo per un ordine urgentissimo da me ricevuto di domenica con promessa che avresti pagato l'ordine in unico pagamento e il mercoledi successivo quindi 3 giorni dopo , invece hai inviato piu pagamenti e a distanza di 15 giorni ancora mancava il saldo dello stesso ( e qui si capisce che hai fatto ciò per poter richiedere tramite chargeback un rimborso illeggittimo) , ad oggi tuttavia non ho ricevuto il saldo dovuto che mi avrebbe permesso di eseguire la spedizione , pertanto , a causa delle tue inadempienze gli sconti da rivenditore sono stati ridotti in quanto non sei piu un rivenditore .
Invece in data 5 maggio 2011 dovevi pagare la somma di 332,00 euro per merce gia ricevuta come anche tu affermi nel messaggio , come dalle molteplici comunicazioni e solleciti inviati a te , affinchè provvedessi al saldo delle somme dovute , purtroppo ad oggi 8 giugno 2011 non ho ancora ricevuto le somme dovute , ma invece delle controversie truffaldine di Chargeback per materiali ricevuto e per Acconti confirmatori per gli ordini in sospeso .
Come da tua richiesta scritta a mezzo email e Msn dove mi comunichi di non voler piu pagare alcuna somma e di annullare tutti gli ordini trattenendo il materiale non pagato .

Adesso ti chiedo , come puoi pretendere di ricevere materiale senza prima pagarlo ??

In ogni caso , data la mia serietà e correttezza commerciale , ti comunico come gia fatto piu volte , che , vista la tua difficolta economica nel pagare l'intero ordine , posso accettare pagamenti rateali in 12 mesi , come poi gia accordato con te alla presenza di paolo Scurci della Pbp su Msn anche se poi non hai comunque provveduto al saldo , e dal provvedere alla spedizione del materiale man mano che viene pagato , con spedizione in ultimo del motore iame , come gia da accordi in essere .

Ovviamente devi immediatamente annullare tutte le pratiche di Chargeback , e chiedere scusa per il tuo comportamento , allora stai tranquillo che non ho alcun interesse a non spedirti , ricorda che il mondo delle minimoto è talmente piccolo che le notizie volano veloci , purtroppo onde evitare nuove truffe , l'unica modalità di pagamento accettate sara a mezzo Bonifico Bancario , per te è sempre una sicurezza , in quento dimostri di avermi pagato .

Certo della tua collabborazione attendo una tua risposta

Dear Josh, you see, you confirm that what I say, because you still have to pay a balance for an urgent order which I received on Sunday with a promise that the order would have paid in one payment and then later on Wednesday after three days, but you payments sent more than 15 days away and still lacked the balance of that (and here we understand that you have done this in order to claim a refund via chargeback illegitimate), but now I have not received your outstanding balance that would allow me the shipping Therefore, because of your defaults by dealer discounts have been reduced because you are no longer a dealer.

Instead, on May 5, 2011 you had to pay the sum of € 332.00 for goods already received, as well as you say in the message, as the multiple notices and reminders sent to you, so provvedessi the balance due, unfortunately, to date June 8, 2011 I still have not received the sums due, but instead to dispute fraudulent chargeback for materials received and Advances to Confirm to the pending orders.
As per your request in writing via email and MSN where I tell it no longer wants to pay any sum to cancel all orders and holding the material does not get paid.

Now I ask you, how can you expect to receive material without first pay?

In any case, given my honesty, fair business tells you how many times already done that, given your financial difficulty in paying the entire order, I can accept installment payments in 12 months, as already agreed with you then the presence paolo Scurcia the pbp on MSN even though you still have not paid the balance, and arrange for shipment of the material as it is paid, with delivery to the engine last iame such agreements already in place.

Of course, you must immediately cancel all practices Chargeback, and apologize for your behavior, then rest assured that I have no interest in not sending you, remember that the world of pocket bike is so small that the news fly fast, unfortunately, new scams to avoid The only form of payment will be by Bank Transfer, for you is always a safety, quente proves me paid.

Of course your collabborazione wait for your answer

Sorry for my English, but I help with a translator

[LISCIMOTOR]

Beware scam by Josh Moto
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Posted By Natquarium
He didn't mention this part of the story to you...

He didn't mention this part of the story to you guys yet did you.

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Qual'è la parte del racconto che non ho menzionato ?? lo stai confermando tu che devi pagare e che ancora non lo hai fatto , è normale che non ti spedisco finchè tu non pagherai , nessun venditore spedisce senza avere PRIMA il pagamento per intero .
Le somme da te pagate e da me ricevute , sono state regolarmente fatturate , e messe in acconto confirmatorio per gli ordini in corso che hai con me , tutta la documentazione che attesta le spedizioni e la regolarita delle transazioni sono state inoltrate a paypal , pertanto dimostrero a paypal e alla tua banca che sono in regola e che i chargback sono una truffa .

In ogni caso Josh ti ripeto e te lo dico pubblicamente che non ho problemi a risolvere in via amichevole questa brutta situazione che si è creata , tu riceverai il materiale man mano che lo pagherai , ti sto dando anche la possibilita di pagarlo comodamente .

Attendo che mi comunichi gli importi che intendi pagare mensilmente cosi da stabilire le date delle spedizioni . Sono certo che collaborerai con me al fine di rimanere entrambi soddisfatti gli uni degli altri


What is the story that I have not mentioned? you're confirming that you have to pay and yet you did not, it is normal that you do not pay until I send you, no seller ships without prior payment in full.
The sums paid by you and received by me, have been properly billed, and made ​​in advance for confirmatory pending orders you have with me, all the documentation certifying shipments and regularity of the transactions are submitted to PayPal, thus demonstrating paypal to your bank and that they comply and that chargback are a scam.

In any case, I tell you Josh and I say publicly that I have no problems to resolve amicably this ugly situation that has been created, you will receive the material as the match, I'm also giving the opportunity to pay comfortably.

I expect to report on the amounts you wish to pay monthly in order to establish the dates of shipments. I am sure working with me to keep both happy with each other

[LISCIMOTOR]

se qualcuno mi aiuta vorrei inserire le copie di due Chargeback con relativa ricevuta della spedizione , che risultano essere giunte a destinazione

if someone helps me I put copies of two Chargeback with the receipt of the shipment, which are in fact be delivered

[GLEN #159]

Hang on.

Nate owed you a balance of 186 Euro and because he did not pay within a specified time or for whatever reason, you have wiped his dealer discount and changed that outstanding payment to 332 Euro??

If that's the case, then that in itself is dodgy. You can't just change the amount he owes you after a price was agreed upon in an original deal.

Also, 30 Euro for time spent on emails and MSN?? C'mon, seriously.

[LISCIMOTOR]

Il motivo per cui sono stati rivisti gli sconti e semplicemente legato al fatto che un rivenditore che prende degli impegni , deve comunque rispettare gli accordi , e per avere delle determinate scontistiche deve pagare regolarmente e puntualmente e anticipatamente , avendo io acquistato tutta la merce da lui ordinata con la sua promessa che avrebbe pagato entro un determinato periodo e non ha rate , non avendo ricevuto piu alcun pagamento , ma solo email e comunicazioni di non voler piu pagare e di voler annullare ogni ordine , conseguenza sono stati ridotti gli sconti e Josh non è piu un mio rivenditore .

Il pagamento di 332,00 non è affatto mutato , deve dal mese di maggio saldare una fornitura ricevuta regolarmente .

La battuta ironica di Msn dei 30 euro , non è altro che una battuta , la stessa che paolo Scurci di Pbp a fatto a Josh su msn , questo significa semplicemente che non possiamo stare delle ore al computers a perdere tempo per josh che non sa nemmeno sostituire una candela e vuole fare il commerciante senza avere i soldi per acquistare le merci

Se non lo sai in italia noi rivenditori acquistiamo e paghiamo anticipatamente le merci e dobbiamo rispettare gli accordi presi con i fornitori e rispettare le loro condizioni di vendita , in caso contrario non siamo piu rivenditori e perdiiamo i nostri privilegi .

The reason they have been reviewed and discounts simply due to the fact that a dealer who takes the commitments, agreements must comply, and to have certain discounts to be paid regularly and on time and in advance, because I bought all the goods he ordered with his promise that he would pay within a specified period and did not rate, failing to receive any payment, but only email communications and did not want to pay more and want to cancel any order, therefore were not reduced discounts and Josh is more than my dealer.

The payment of 332.00 is not changed, it must pay in May received a regular supply.

The satirical Msn of 30 €, is nothing but a joke, the same one that Paul made ​​a PbP Scurcia of Josh on msn, this simply means that we can not stand the hours to spend time with computers that do not even know josh replace a spark plug and the trader wants to do without the money to buy goods.

If we do not know in Italian retailers buy goods and pay in advance and we must respect the agreements made with suppliers and comply with their conditions of sale, otherwise we are no longer perdiiamo dealers and our privileges.