Aust. Minimoto Titles...

Barry posted this on his website....

Pocket Bikes, Mini Motards & F1 Cars

Last Saturday we had our second practice for 2010 and without a doubt, I have to say it was the largest attendance in our almost six year history.
Sunday was our first shakedown meeting to start off the year and although not very well attended, it was a great day. Everyone had fun and we all got to go home early.
Sunday Jan 31 is round one of our five round series to start the racing year off. Race calendars for 2010 are now available at the track.

Some in the pocket bike fraternity may disagree with what I am about to say. Pocket bike racing is a very fragmented sport and in the world of motorsport, pocket bike racing is seen as having zero credibility. We want that to change. I have spoken with Darren in Melbourne about this matter over the last couple of years and more recently I spoke with Darren Hansford in South Australia regarding this issue. What is needed is the formation of a peak body to control Mini Moto in Australia.

How it would work is the peak body would be formed. State organizations would then affiliate to the peak body. You would have a National Licencing system, National rules and a National Title system with credibility. We are also suggesting the titles be one round only. Titles would go State by State on a rotational basis each year. Only having the expense of a one round title would be attractive to all competitors.

Once the peak body is formed ideally getting the whole thing under the Motorcycling Australia umbrella would give Mini Moto even more credibility. We will work on that angle once we are up and running.

Discuss this amongst yourselves as I am sure it won’t take you long to work out the benefits of being united as a group.

Now back to the local action, available to our competitors this year will be a Queensland Title in April, 50 practice days, 25 race events, 2 Endurance Events plus more. That should certainly be enough to keep everyone out of mischief for the upcoming year.

Hope to see you all for Round 1 on Jan 31.



Regards,
Barry & Sandra

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i think he is on the right track(although he isn't the first to say this) but i now for sure that MA is not the way minimoto needs to go, have a read through there rule book there would be NO chinese bikes racing NO mods allowed & more cost to the riders, Promoto is looking to do this & help clubs in other states get sorted, now b4 you all whinge & say Promoto is a business & makes money what do you think MA is ? they have people employed on very big salaries & to say they are a joke is being very kind
personally i think we should support the people that support us & Promoto is & will continue to support minimoto in Australia.
Hey morty is barry looking to upgrade his track ? i know that after last years round there a lot of people will not go back there so i think that needs to be addressed for that track to move forward otherwise he is going to be skipped over by a lot of riders

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OH LOOK MY SIG HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN AGAIN BECAUSE IT HAS MY NAME IN IT LOL LOL LOL BUT ALL IN THE INTEREST OF MINIMOTO OFCOURSE

Bollo is somewhat correct.. MA cost a heck of alot, rules are very tight fisted and do not offer std Chinese classes which in turn is what some clubs thrive on and give little back into motorcycling unless it involves dirt..

However there is also AASA, they are a Governing body and 1/3rd the price of MA, they also allow all classes of Minimoto and Minitard(as well as all the catagories we run)..

On another note, going by previous comments and remarks about licenses, there is going to be some unhappy campers at archy if bazza takes this route, imagine how many riders will need yearly or day licenses just to run on a practice day.. But first things first and that is for him to get the track up to scratch to meet safety criteria for a Governing body to affiliate with his business..

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Yer, bollo.. barry's lookin at a surface upgrade, & timers(not lap counters) amongst a few other things....
We understand all the problems currently associated with MA..But are trying to sort out these issues to find a better outcome for all with them..
& Hey, I'm glad someone's finally decided to try & work something out like this, whoever it is has my support!!

& yer glen, there'l be a few people wanting licences, with all the riders we have.. But I was thinking about it & it'l be stuff all compared to the last several years of Only having to pay $20 a week to ride my bike every Saturday!!!!!!

morty

just to have ma come out & inspect the track isn't cheap, then to implement all the safety requirements will put ma out of most clubs reach, promoto spent around 30k on tyres & labour to stack them all as they have to be bolted & strapped together, guy seriously ma is not the way to go, promoto has the financial backing to run this sport properly & they have the staff to make it happen they are branching out all over Australia with there kart series & the bikes can run with them, that means clubs all over Australia could potentially join up & run like we do in NSW which works very well

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OH LOOK MY SIG HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN AGAIN BECAUSE IT HAS MY NAME IN IT LOL LOL LOL BUT ALL IN THE INTEREST OF MINIMOTO OFCOURSE

Unfortunately from a west aussie view point with out MA affililation PBAWA would still be looking for a track to ride on. As soon a s we affiliated with MWA/MA we were able to ride on some of the best kart tracks in OZ. As said above though we pay $85.oo a year for a non competitive/restricted licence and I think it about double that to get a competitive licence. At present PBAWA is not really equipt to handle competitive events so all members are on the restricted licence.

Its OK though because we all leave the pits at the same time and get some stonking freight trains happening. First one back to the pits wins.......

Resurface.. That's great news for you guys.. Although you'd expect to have to run full nylon sliders to protectect his investment, otherwise what's the point of a resurface Eitherway you have to with foot pegs and bar ends with MA..


COPIED FROM MA..

15.19 Protective Clothing – MINIMOTO
15.19.0.1 No competitor may practice, start or
compete in any Minimoto competition
unless wearing the following protective
equipment and clothing:
15.19.1 Helmet
15.19.1.1 An approved and correctly fitting fullfaced
helmet which must:
a) Carry the Standards Association of
Australia “AS 1698” label; or

b) Be approved under Rule 01.69
& 01.70 of the Road Racing FIM
Technical Rules [see Appendix 1].

15.19.2 Clothing -Classes other than Supers
15.19.2.1 Protective Clothing must consist of:

a) Full leathers (1 or 2 piece),
b) Minimoto race suits, or
c) Motocross pants/jeans (Including
body armour and knee sliders),
d) A leather jacket must be worn in any
class and while riding at any time.
15.19.2.2A commercially manufactured back
protector.

15.19.4 Footwear
15.19.4.1 Boots with ankle protection which must:
a) Be constructed of leather or other
material of similar or greater
durability. but not constructed of
rubber,
b) At least overlap the suit or trousers
when the rider is in the normal riding
position,
c) Not have soft leather soles.

15.19.5 Gloves
15.19.5.1 Gloves of leather or other material of
similar or greater durability.

15.19.6 Goggles and Visors
15.19.6.1 Spectacles, protective goggles, helmet
visors and/or “tear-offs” must be worn
provided:
a) Eye protectors and spectacles are
made of non-shattering material,
b) Eye protectors which cause visual
disturbance are not to be used,
c) Visors are an integral part of the helmet,
d) Metal or perspex face shields are
not used,
e) Eye shades or peaks are of a
flexible material.
15.19.7 Hair and Jewellery
15.19.7.1Hair longer than shoulder length must be
confined in the helmet or jacket.
15.19.7.2Body jewellery is to be removed or
securely covered with tape prior to
competition.

15.19.8 Footwear in pits
15.19.8.1Closed footwear must be worn in the pit
lane at all times.

2 points highlighted in there have considerable boosted the price for a newcomer to start racing or practicing..


15.20 FRAMES and PARTS - minimoto
15.20.0.1 Minimotos must be fixed or rigid frames no
suspension.

15.20.0.2Minimotos must have a working handlebar
mounted engine kill-switch.

15.20.0.3 Foot pegs must be covered in plastic,
rubber or nylon.

15.20.1 Tyres
15.20.1.1 Knobby tyres are only permitted in
Minimotard classes.
15.20.1.2 Treaded road tyres may be used at any time.
15.20.2 Rims
15.20.2.1 Classes other than Minimotard - Rims
must be 6.5” diameter.
15.20.2.2 Minimotard classes - Rims other than 6.5”
diameter may be used.

15.20.3 Brakes
15.20.3.1 A pin or locknut must be fitted to the brake
pad fixture. The safety wire used on the
brake caliper bolts must be visible.
15.20.3.2 Classes other than Minimotard- Brakes
must be cable operated.
15.20.3.3 Handlebar levers must have ball ends
with a minimum diameter of 10mm.

15.20.4 Rider identification
15. 20.4.1Additional to numbers on the machine,
competitors must wear a high visibility vest
with the number on the front and the rear.
Numbers must comply with GCR 11.5.

15.21 ENGINES - minimoto
15.21.1 As per GCR 15.2 plus:
15.21.1.1 Lock wiring used on oil and water filler
caps and drain plugs must be visible.

15.21.1.2 Classes other than Minimotard:
a) Single cylinder,
b) Pull-start,
c) 2-stroke engines,
d) Less than 51cc.

15.21.1.3 A non-return valve must be fitted to the
tank breather pipe which must discharge
into a catch tank with a minimum capacity
of 100cc.

15.21.1.4 Production based and Junior Classes do
not allow:
a) Any interior engine work that will
benefit performance, including
porting and flowing,
b) Abrasives to be used to clean interior
engine parts,
c) Machining of any description,
d) Replacement of standard engine
parts for performance parts.

15.21.1.5 Other than Minimotards: Final drive must
be single speed via a dry centrifugal
clutch (adjustable allowable).

15.21.1.6 Minimotards may have manual or
automatic gearboxes.

15.21.1.7 Minimotards must be fitted with a hose
running from the crankcase breather into
a catch tank with a minimum capacity of
200cc.

15.21.1.8 Fuel must not leak when machine is laid
on each side. Use of an O-Ring under
cap permitted.

15.21.2 Supers
15.21.2.1 Engine can have any modifications within
capacity restrictions.

15.21.3 Production Heavies
15.21.3.1 Minimum rider weight 80kg.
15. 21.3.2Standard air/water cooled engines.
15. 21.3.3 No modifications may be made, other
than:
a) Main jet,
b) Spark plug,
c) Rubber inlet manifold,
d) Carbon reeds (not dual stage),
e) Airbox open,
f) Exhaust;
i) Any type made by same
manufacturer as the machine,
ii) With a proven part number on
parts list of country of origin,
iii) No one off exhaust systems
allowed,
iv) No systems not sold or made by
the manufacturer in the country
of origin.
g) Open gearing.

15.21.4 Production Lights
15.21.4.1 Maximum rider weight 80kg.
15.21.4.2 Standard air/water cooled engines.
15.21.4.3 No modifications may be made, other
than:
a) Main jet,
b) Spark plug,
c) Rubber inlet manifold,
d) Carbon reeds (not dual stage),
e) Airbox open,
f) Exhaust;i) Any type made by
same manufacturer as the machine,
ii) With a proven part number on
parts list of country of origin,
iii) No one off exhaust systems
allowed,
iv) No systems not sold or made by
the manufacturer in the country
of origin.
g) Maximum gearing 66 teeth at rear.

15.21.5 4.2hp Seniors
15. 21.5.1 Minimum rider weight 50kg.
15. 21.5.2 4.2hp maximum air cooled mini or midi.
15. 21.5.3 No modifications may be made, other
than:
a) Main jet,
b) Spark plug,
c) Airbox open,
d) Gearing for riders up to 75kg, 66
teeth rear,
e) Gearing for riders over 75kg, open.
15. 21.5.4 Standard exhaust.

15. 21.6 Minimotard Seniors
15. 21.6.1 4-stroke up to 160cc (auto or manual) or
2-stroke up to 85cc (auto or manual).
15. 21.7 Juniors
15. 21.7.1 Ages 9 to under 13 years.
15. 21.7.2 Junior riders (under 16 years) cannot
compete with Senior riders.

15.21.7.3 4.2 hp air-cooled mini only.
15.21.7.4 No modifications may be made, other than:
a) Main jet,
b) Spark plug,
c) Airbox open,
d) Open gearing.
15.21.7.5 Standard exhaust only.

15.21.8 Minimotard Juniors
15. 21.8.1 Ages 9 to under 13 years, 4-stroke up to
125cc (auto or manual) or 2-stroke up to
85cc (auto or manual).
15.21.8.2 Ages 13 to under 16 years, 4-stroke up to
140cc (auto or manual) or 2-stroke up to
85cc (auto or manual)


Lots of restrictions there.. No Chinese Pro or std CAGS.. No Minitard over 140cc.. Lock wiring and catch cans..
Why anyone would think that MA is the answer for Minimoto is mad.. If anything it makes it extremely hard for newcomers and young kids to get into it, then there's the extra cost of MA license and having to wear certain protective gear and the extra cost to get bikes up to spec..

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Here's were some of the license fees go to, a shiny new building.. Most of the rest goes into their pockets..
Motorcycling Queensland: About Us

Approved tracks only.. With regular inspections for not only track safety but also for riders following the rules which ultimately should be the promotors responsability to ensure..
Motorcycling Queensland: Licences Hope bazza'a got deep pockets cause he'll need them to be able to fund the magor track safety restructuring, paying for track inspections, paying to get marshals MA trained etc, all that on top of big dollars to re-surface and install a timing system..
Motorcycle Sportsman approached QR to secure the main Lakeside Circuit for racing, after MA visited the circuit they said NO and it was simply down to the fact of inadequate run off (not complete lack of), yet Champions Ride days can run events there under AASA with the use of 'airfences' in these said inadequate sections, go figure..
Check out their news feed.. As mentioned, they are about dirt motorcycles sports more than anything else..
They do have grants however and that's great news if riders travel over 250km to compete..
Motorcycling Queensland: News


Also this is not solely directed at archy nor should be considered an attack.. I believe it applies Aus wide if clubs wish to build numbers of their respective Clubs/Businesses..

As Ringo mentioned above it is $85 a year for a license in which they can not even compete, if they wanted to obtain a Competiton Club license they would be looking at about $120-$140, then if they wanted to compete against other clubs Aus wide on an MA affiliated track they would be looking at $180+ for a National Comp license..


Perhaps as Bollo said, Promoto is the way forward for some clubs.. The question remains, would those clubs or businesses be prepared to hand over eveything and walk away??

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lol man that makes me want to race under MA ! NOT as i said b4 to many rules to keep minimoto clubs happy, they have just copied rules from other racing countries like the UK it looks like as we have never had supers or producion class's

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OH LOOK MY SIG HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN AGAIN BECAUSE IT HAS MY NAME IN IT LOL LOL LOL BUT ALL IN THE INTEREST OF MINIMOTO OFCOURSE

MA sound like a bunch of money driven folk who dont hav a clue about minimoto in Australia.

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