Aussie titles 2010 - hippy's opinion

Ok guys... here goes... I'll try to keep this brief but prpared for a long winded dribble!!! First and foremost Darren was wanting to set the class rules for the Australian titles! I've been racing things with wheels for most of my life and not once have I raced at a National level that has catered for novice classes!!! A national title should be something that novice riders strive to achieve, Don't forget we have club and state levels that will more than cater for newcomers.

Cag: There has been a lot of debate about Standard Cag/Pro Cag. Has anyone bothered to see how many standard Cags entered the titles this year? If you had you would have realised that both Junior and Senior classes struggled. And lets face it there are always going to be cheque book racers even in Pro Cag but how much fun would it be when you ride past them on your $200 stocker. A cag is a cag is a cag..

Chinese Watercooled: Well what can I say we struggled to get a field in standard or Pro!! Once again if you are going to spend a fortune on a chinese bike you are a clown! We can all take the rules and turn them into a worse case scenario but why would anyone spend $2000 on a blata rep when you can buy the real thing second hand for $1900 (not good economics in my book)

40cc Euro: In my opinion this class should changed to limited Euro to combine up to 40cc watercooled 50cc Elite air, this gives a place for the existing Elite air riders and having two Euro classes may get the shiney boys with their tyre warmers to start racing a second class??

The big question about the Australian titles is not what class structure is going to be used but how the titles are going to be run and by whom? As the titles are run at the moment(which for the last 2 years have been great) It hasn't been run by a controlled body therefore our Australian title holders are not recognised by anyone but us. I keep using Liam Niblock as an example what a great young racer, Australian champion in 4 of the 6 classes he races. He would be a great prospect for owners of big bike teams but in what book does it say Liam Niblock Australia#1?

Until we are running our Australian titles under Motorcycle Australia we will never be a legitimate motorsport. A lot of people keep saying that would be great but it is way too expensive, a motorcycle Australia restricted license for pocket bikes and mini motards up to 160cc is $175 for seniors and $85.50 for Juniors for 12 months and that allows to ride on any MA or AKA track Australia wide. Tony from Pro Moto has offered to run an Australian series through Pro Kart venues: Two things, firstly what tracks does he propose to run these events outside New South Wales? And secondly, although it is a great gesture on Tony's behalf we are still left in the same boat once again 'an unrecognised Australian title'

If we were to start by running our Australian title under MA not only are we covered by the biggest Motorcycling body in Australia but our riders will be i ternationally recognised. This is not a very hard thing to get organised and in my opinion this is the way we need to be heading to become a national sport and not just a bunch of different clubs getting together to go racing!!!

Now that hurt my brain....
Cheers Hippy...

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Chinese Watercooled: Well what can I say we struggled to get a field in standard or Pro!! Once again if you are going to spend a fortune on a chinese bike you are a clown! We can all take the rules and turn them into a worse case scenario but why would anyone spend $2000 on a blata rep when you can buy the real thing second hand for $1900 (not good economics in my book)

Now that hurt my brain....
Cheers Hippy...[/QUOTE]


You're damn right, son. And i was considering going all out on my Banshee when i could just cash in what i've got and buy a front runner elite. But then again, where's the fun in going staright to the top and i like my banshee the way it is!

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Hi Hippy its Bill here Liams dad. I can understand your brain hurting as you have given a lot more thought than normal {LOL} & what you say makes a lot of sense with regards to the future not just today. You are right if we can get our sport recognised it will be step in the right direction.thanks for the kind words about Liam as you have made his day (he has the flu) Bill

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hippy, what you are saying about being recognised is true, but for me coming from another club that races full size race bikes & being on the committee i suggest you go to a few committee meetings of a similar club in your state & see whats involved in running under MA, also another thing if we where to run under MA all marshals have to be MA licensed & there also a cost to that, then the scrutineer has to be licensed infant everybody has to & then you have to pay to have an MA official at the track for the day.
It's not just the race license that makes it more expensive its all the associated costs & i think thats what would bring us down, i am not trying to be negative about this just bringing these things to your attention in case you weren't aware of them

Yeah, I hear what you're saying too, but I think the associated costs would definately be our downfall at the moment!

CAG: yeah it would be cool to fly past one of you pro boys down south on a std, but I'l hav to ask graeme about that one!! But it shouldn't be about being able to fly past someone on a less powered bike, everyone should be able to be equally powered, I would think! And Yes, this class did struggle a bit, but mainly at barossa, alot of class no.s were down there as to timing with dates I think.. So, if we have fewer rounds, maybe the numbers will be a bit better and its still early days.. & We havn't even had a consistent format yet! ..... 'If you build it, He will come!!!'
There's a big difference between a $200 stocker cag & a WEAPON...Big!!

But as for Basic chinese W/C... Well, the level below it(a/c pro) requires upgrading/porting to be competitive and you have to near the same lap times, so just a pro W/C class, remaining china, is a reasonable step for riders... there ain't that much difference in speed!!

So,
Std Cag
Pro Cag
Pro Chinese W/C(same rules as this year!)
then elite & motard.... wateva you's decide!
But did anyone look at an ova 40's class, instead of adding a 40cc class, probably produce just as more new riders, being with the economy as it is and dollar value of the class!

HIPPY"but in what book does it say Liam Niblock Australia#1?"
I'm more worried about him having someone to race next year!
He has juniors to race @ archerfield, hopefully there'l be some good competition in the juniors next year!
It's ok for us seniors, cause we now have mago & brandon to race.. but there's not many juniors coming thru!

morty

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Hippy
Minimoto Club titles are recognised by other forms of motor GP and racing..I'll give you one example..Go to the Red bull rookies cup..have a look at the Juniors profiles...98% have club national titles listed in their now developing careers.
I'm not convinced about MA...Just remember we all race for fun too!..All I care about is that we get a series up and running for next year that all people will be happy to be a part of.
I know sorting out classes is a tough job...but lets not loose sight that this is mean't to be FUN! and Affordable !
Re the 40's class..no 50's A/C...this would be unfair to the 40's..50's should race in open W/C elite

you forgot me??.. Or do you mean competition? haha

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Morty, if you reckon you can build a pro china with china parts and be competetive. I'll build a pro china with the euro bits a per next years rule and we'll see who has a faster bike. Mate, you'll need to spend the bucks to keep in front. But as hippy says "Anyone whos spends two grand on a china bike is a clown"

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That sounds like a challange. Put me down for $10 on morty to take the win

LOL .. chris..... I'm not gonna spend a dime!!!! Oh, maybe another china 3 shoe clutch...
I'm ridin' my std, which I whooped all your butts with All series!!!
When my elite go's faster than it, then, I'l think about upgrading the std!

I may just get a bit of time to throw the dremmel round it!!
Nah, On second thoughts, If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!
My bikes ready to go.. Let's Race!!! BRING IT!!!
morty

edit: my banshee cost me $300 - bike, $200 - tyres, $150 - 18mm dellorto carb. and a rider to boot!
I'm not a clown!!!
I agree, anyone who spends $2000 on a china bike is a bit foolish!