Suggested 2010 Australian Race series Rules

TyD · #21 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 12:25 AM

I like the idea of std cag with only mods exhaust, clutch springs, wheel bearings and 15mm max. carby.. and zhongya tyres!

i vote for that.. mostly because it is cheap and will allow me to ride 2 classes..

whats the chances of this happening?

TheClaw70 · #22 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 12:38 AM

realistically the pro chinese class is going to become a battle of who can afford the most modded motor. As Morty said, it's now basically elite with a china case and barrel. It doesn't mean you HAVE to have it but to have a chance at cracking a win you NEED to have it.

Hmm, looks like i'll have to go and see my friends at 'Bollins Race Engines' for a new motor

herbi40 · #23 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 12:52 AM

Hi Chris its Bill here just a small note as to where to go with motors.What you are saying is a good example of COSTS. If you put a euro crank in there is app $400 without anything else,wouldnt it be cheaper to buy Als ELITE at $2300 it would be cheaper in the long run.This is a good example of where does the money stop.I am sure 74 is doing his backside on what the GRC has cost him as i would be posative that this is a very strong front runner.This is also a good examlpe of people not willing to spend $2300 to race elite at a entry level so we need to have avaible CHINESE bikes & be competative at under $1000. Chris with what you are trying to do with your CHINA bike is a good example as to why we need to keep it cost efective.

velocitygt · #24 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 12:54 AM

A timed race is more preferable over more laps because then you are able to ensure that your bike and you can last a certain amount of time no matter what track you are racing on. If you simply run more laps then the race time will change on every track. This also makes it more difficult to organize a race day based on a schedule. This is how it is done in AKA go kart racing and All European Minimoto Championships, they don't choose to do it like that for no reason. But hey majority rules

MortysMiniMotos · #25 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 01:14 AM

2 rounds would be better in my opinion. mid nsw and northern vic.... i love warnambool track...but with other tracks being available maybe something further north could be located?

darren: saying three rounds and you'll be travelling to 2 rounds isn't true...for one lot of state riders?

being a shortened series, all venues should be catering for mortards yeah? not like this year.

in all honesty, (even though im #3 in oz in std a/c

) standard a/c is really only participated by qlders anyway

if the class was to be retained, the rules are fine how they are. my std a/c is as std as they come. only has jetpro exhaust and fibreglass reeds and was quicker than MOST pro a/c's at round 4

... you guys dont want morty making quicker STD cags...leave the rules

anyways... at the end of the day. I just dont want to travel to the **** of the earth (how do you guys live there!! lol) next year if we can somehow stop this from happening...I'd be appreciative...

looks like elite will be pretty big next year

TyD · #26 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MortysMiniMotos

if the class was to be retained, the rules are fine how they are. my std a/c is as std as they come. only has jetpro exhaust and fiberglass reeds and was quicker than MOST pro a/c's at round 4

I think that everything should be the same just it must come from china??

tyres, carby's, reeds, EVERYTHING but the rider..(they can, but don't have to, lol)

would make it cheaper.. Like you add up, new cag, like $300? + $220 for tyres, $100 for a carby.. plus bzm reeds with modded reed cage $50, 100 for jetpro

so thats $770 for a std cag!!!!!!!!! or;

you can pay $300 for cag, 40 for zhongya slicks, 45 for 14mm Chinese carby and 5 for Chinese carbon reeds and 100 for jetpro

$490 for a std cag?? much cheaper....

MortysMiniMotos · #27 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TyD

plus bzm reeds with modded reed cage $50

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not legal in any std class ty

and the bike i was using cost $200 secondhand and had some very very old pmts on them...hense why i crashed on my warm up lap...and on the first lap a few times

std cags can be as cheap as you want them

but like what has been said previously though, at the same time, the australian titles isnt exactly meant to be an "entry" level racing series to begin with. There once was a rule about this?

TheClaw70 · #28 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by herbi40

Hi Chris its Bill here just a small note as to where to go with motors.What you are saying is a good example of COSTS. If you put a euro crank in there is app $400 without anything else,wouldnt it be cheaper to buy Als ELITE at $2300 it would be cheaper in the long run.This is a good example of where does the money stop.I am sure 74 is doing his backside on what the GRC has cost him as i would be posative that this is a very strong front runner.This is also a good examlpe of people not willing to spend $2300 to race elite at a entry level so we need to have avaible CHINESE bikes & be competative at under $1000. Chris with what you are trying to do with your CHINA bike is a good example as to why we need to keep it cost efective.

Very true, Bill. I already have Wingnuts ex elite banshee so i don't really need to buy another elite just yet. In saying that, buying Bollo's grc would step me up in elite <not that i can handle the elite banshee as it is!> and then revert the banshee to pro china would be cheaper than doing what i plan but where's the fun in that?

I'd still like to be able to compete on a bike that i can truly claim is built, not bought.

But as to the rulings, in the long run i can't seriously see this as a bad thing for the sport as it is a National Championship and not club level racing. Really, all the classes that aren't covered by the Titles rounds can still be raced at home tracks <for those who have the classes>

The only issue i can see with timed races is that when you are racing, unless you can see a clock you really don't know where you stand in terms of race time. 15 minutes when your concentrating on the job at hand can be lost very quickly and that loss of time scale could affect race tactics. Although in saying that, the only tactic you should have is to get out there and win. I think having ten lap <dependant on track lenght> races would be better and less of them, say two or three.

wbr · #29 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 02:28 AM

not too be a funny bugger but who has a bigger fuel tank then me ?? i canot get 15 minutes of riding out of my bike i know iv goten close before but i can only get about 12 to 14 minutes out of it this was just rough timimng but i dout 15 minutes would work for me im not saying i wont do it but im prity sure thats bit too long having sed that next time i ride im going to test this theory properly and see wat i come up with

ktm1974 · #30 (**permalink**) 11-10-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by velocitygt

A timed race is more preferable over more laps because then you are able to ensure that your bike and you can last a certain amount of time no matter what track you are racing on. If you simply run more laps then the race time will change on every track. This also makes it more difficult to organize a race day based on a schedule. This is how it is done in AKA go kart racing and All European Minimoto Championships, they don't choose to do it like that for no reason. But hey majority rules

yep with a time lenth race it will be the same at all tracks long or short. sure do it by laps but you will have to run say 15 laps at some tacks and18/20 at others.

Suggested 2010 Australian Race series Rules

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